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Young Adult Ministry (YAM) was the Archdiocese of Chicago’s outreach service to women and men in their twenties and thirties, married and single. YAM director Darius Villalobos and YAM coordinator Pablo Padilla led discussions on a wide range of topics that connected faith with everyday life for young adults.

CCLA VOLUNTEER ATTORNEY UPDATE

Tuesday, July 19, 2022
For almost 20 years, Catholic Charities Legal Assistance Department (CCLA) has been helping low-income individuals and families who cannot afford an attorney. Staff members, and volunteer attorneys help clients navigate the complex legal world, and learn more about their rights and responsibilities regarding a variety of civil law issues. Join Phil Zepeda and Katie Bredemann as they welcome Dennis Marks and Jack Lynch, two accomplished attorneys and dedicated CCLA volunteers to discuss how the program continues to evolve and help clients grow in their ability to advocate for themselves in legal matters.

The Diaconate In Chicago

Tuesday, July 19, 2022
The new Vicar for Deacons in the Archdiocese of Chicago, Deacon James Norman, joined host Joyce Duriga to talk about the diaconate in Chicago.

Décimo sexto domingo del tiempo ordinario

Friday, July 15, 2022
Lectura y reflexión del Evangelio según San Lucas 10, 38-42 del domingo, 17 de julio de 2022. Viernes, 15 de julio de 2022

Update on the Covid-19 Pandemic and the Economic Outlook for 2022 and 2023

Thursday, July 14, 2022
Hosts: Fr. Greg Sakowicz and Mark Teresi. Dr. Edward Gordon joins our hosts to give an update on where things stand in the Covid-19 pandemic and the economic outlook for 2022 and 2023.

Breaking Open the Sin of Racism and How Parishes Can Accompany People On The Journey

Wednesday, July 13, 2022
We learn more about resources available to parishes around the work of racial justice and the Sin of Racism. We speak with Noelle Collis-Devito and Andrew Musgrave from the Archdiocese of Cincinnati talking about resources available for those in parishes to use. They share a video series, discussion guide and leader materials.

PARISH PARTNER PROFILE: ST. RITA OF CASCIA/ST. CLARE OF MONTEFALCO PARISH

Tuesday, July 12, 2022
Catholic Charities is blessed to have many parish partners across the Archdiocese of Chicago. Selfless pastors and lay leaders work in tandem with Catholic Charities to identify needs in the community and determine the best ways for people to access programs and services that can ease their burdens and help them plan for a brighter future. Join Katie Bredemann as she welcomes Marilu Gonzalez, Regional Director for the City/Southwest Region and Fr. Homero Sanchez, Pastor of St. Rita of Cascia/St. Clare of Montefalco Parish to discuss the many ways that this wonderful parish is helping to fulfill the mission of Catholic Charities on the local, parish level.

Décimo quinto domingo del tiempo ordinario

Friday, July 8, 2022
Lectura y reflexión del Evangelio según San Lucas 10, 25-37 del domingo, 10 de julio de 2022. Viernes, 8 de julio de 2022

Spiritual Direction and Discernment

Thursday, July 7, 2022
Sister Joyce Diltz, PHJC, a Poor Handmaid of Jesus Christ Sister, talks about Spiritual Direction – what it is, what it is not, and who is it for? If you are seeking guidance in your life, this is the topic for you! To find out more about the Poor Handmaids - PHJC website: www.poorhandmaids.org. To contact Sr. Joyce, email [email protected]

Passing the Torch—Something Every Christian Does

Thursday, July 7, 2022
On the July 7, 2022 broadcast co-hosts Deacon Richard Hudzik and Deacon Dave Brencic introduce the new Vicar for Deacons, Deacon James Norman, who will have assumed office on July 1. The conversation considers change, managing a busy life and the hope for all of us to grow closer to Our Lord. The invitation is extended to everyone to pray for a right ordering and healthy prioritization in all of our different tasks. By managing what we do we will find the ability to say yes to what is important.

The Church's Response To The Overturning of Roe v. Wade

Wednesday, July 6, 2022
In this edition of Fully Alive Dawn Fitzpatrick and Ray Pingoy are joined by Bob Gilligan of the Catholic Conference of Illinois to discuss The Church's Response to the Overturn of Roe V. Wade. They also discuss the importance of the program Walking With Moms in Need. www.walkingwithmoms.com

FOOD PANTRY UPDATE

Tuesday, July 5, 2022
In the past two years, Catholic Charities Food Pantries have seen double, and sometimes triple the number of clients facing food insecurity. It is tremendously difficult to ensure that nutritious food is available to our clients, throughout Cook and Lake counties on an ongoing basis, but our dedicated staff and food suppliers continue to rise to the challenge. Join Phil Zepeda and Katie Bredemann as they welcome Sharon Holmes, Pantry Operations Supervisor for all eight pantries, to provide an update on how the pantries are faring this summer.

Serving the Poor in the Current Climate of Inflation/The Merton Prayer: An Exercise in Authenticity

Thursday, June 30, 2022
Host: Mark Teresi. Segment I: Serving the Poor in the current climate of inflation. We have 2 individuals who excel at serving the poor of their communities to talk about how the current economic climate of high inflation is impacting both the needs of the poor and the donations that they rely on. Guests: Sr. Stephanie Baliga from the Mission of Our Lady of the Angels in West Humboldt Park, and Marvin Sabido from Most Blessed Trinity Parish in Waukegan and North Chicago. Segment II: ACTA Publications has recently published The Merton Prayer: An Exercise in Authenticity which digs deeply into the powerful one-page chapter prayer from Thomas Merton’s Thoughts in Solitude, first published in 1956. This prayer has been so helpful to many seeking to know God’s will and to feel His leading when the road ahead is not at all clear. Joining us is the author of The Merton Prayer: An Exercise in Authenticity, Steven Denny.

2022 CATHOLIC CHARITIES GOLF CLASSIC

Tuesday, June 28, 2022
The 28th Annual Catholic Charities Golf Classic tournament will take place on Monday, July 18 at two beautiful golf courses in Lake County: Shoreacres Golf Club and Knollwood Country Club. One of the programs that will benefit from the proceeds of this event is CC Renews, a behavioral health program in our Youth Counseling service area. Join Katie Bredemann as she welcomes Matt Davis, Co-Chairman of the tournament, Carla Gutierrez, Youth Counseling Department Director, and Daisy Gonzalez, CC Renews Program Director to preview this fabulous golf outing and discuss how many generous people are coming together to host this event for a very important cause.

A New Beginning for SS. Peter and Paul Parish/A Conversation with Dr. timone davis

Monday, June 27, 2022
Host: Mark Teresi. Segment I: SS. Peter and Paul parish celebrated their last mass on 6/26 as they will now combine into a new unified parish with other churches. Joining us this morning to reminisce about the history of SS. Peter and Paul, and to talk about the journey that lies ahead, are Father Honoratus Mwageni, Cheryl Reed and Larry Campbell. Segment II: Dr. timone davis is an assistant professor of Pastoral Studies with an emphasis in Black Catholic Theology at Loyola University’s Institute of Pastoral Studies. She is also Associate Convener with the Black Catholic Theological Symposium and author of the book, Intergenerational Catechesis: Revitalizing Faith through African-American Storytelling.

Décimo tercer domingo del tiempo ordinario

Friday, June 24, 2022
Lectura y reflexión del Evangelio según San Lucas 9, 51-62 del domingo, 26 de junio de 2022. Viernes, 24 de junio de 2022

Unified Parish of St. Josephine Bakhita/St. Agnes of Bohemia Street Masses

Thursday, June 23, 2022
Hosts: Fr. Greg Sakowicz and Mark Teresi. Segment I: Fr. Thomas Bellanger, Andre Rawls Weatherby and Sandra Botello talk about the newly unified parish of St. Josephine Bakhita. Segment II: Fr. Don Nevins talks about the St. Agnes of Bohemia street masses.

The Eucharistic Revival and the Liturgy

Wednesday, June 22, 2022
The National Eucharistic Revival began on the Solemnity of the Most Holy Body and Blood of the Lord/Corpus Christi. This broadcast of Focus on the Liturgy aired just days after this beginning. Cohosts Danielle Noe and Todd Williamson discuss the Revival – particularly the role of the Eucharistic Liturgy and it’s relationship to the Revival. The celebration of the Eucharist is, the Church says in its documents, the Source and the Summit of the Christian Life; how then is it the foundation of the Revival and the Missionary Spirit the Revival is meant to renew in the Church?

FAMILY SELF-SUFFICIENCY 2022 ACHIEVEMENT CELEBRATION

Tuesday, June 21, 2022
Catholic Charities Family Self-Sufficiency Program helps low-income, single parents with case management and employment services, for up to five years, as they work to improve their quality of life. Join Phil Zepeda and Katie Bredemann as they welcome Maureen Murphy, Associate Vice President of Family & Parish Support Services to discuss the 2022 Achievement Celebration that recognized the accomplishments of hardworking program participants who are overcoming barriers and striving for a better future for themselves and their children.

Public Policy Issues Important to Catholics

Monday, June 20, 2022
Host: Bob Gilligan. Segment I: Catholic Relief Services for Ukraine with Caroline Brennan. Help is needed in Ukraine where there are already more than 2.9 million people in need of assistance! There is great risk of additional suffering both within Ukraine and for those who are fleeing to neighboring countries for safety. CRS and our partners need immediate support to meet both ongoing needs as the situation intensifies. Years of conflict along the eastern border have already displaced 1.3 million people from their homes and claimed 14,000 lives and now 2.3 million people have fled Ukraine. Almost ninety percent of the refugees are women and children. Throughout this time, Caritas Ukraine, with support from CRS, has been providing emergency relief and recovery. CRS and Caritas partners on the ground are preparing across Ukraine and in bordering countries, providing safe shelter, hot meals, hygiene supplies, transport to safe areas, counseling support and more. The situation there is rapidly unfolding, and we could not do this work without your help. When you donate, you provide immediate assistance for your Ukrainian sisters and brothers affected by this crisis. Your prayers and support will make so much difference. To learn more and to donate, visit crs.org Segment II: Religious Freedom Week with Aaron Weldon. Religious freedom allows the Church, and all religious communities, to live out their faith in public and to serve the good of all. Beginning June 22, the feast of Saints Thomas More and John Fisher, the USCCB invites Catholics to pray, reflect, and act to promote religious freedom. Topics for Pray-Reflect-Act during the week: June 22 – Walking with Moms in Need June 23 – Church Vandalism June 24 – Adoption and Foster Care June 25 – Taxpayer Funding for Abortion June 26 – Religious Freedom in China June 27 – Pregnancy Resource Centers June 28 – Health Care Workers June 29 – Free Speech Details and action items for each day can be found at www.usccb.org/ReligiousFreedomWeek

Solemnidad del cuerpo y la sangre de Cristo

Friday, June 17, 2022
Lectura y reflexión del Evangelio según San Lucas 9, 11-17 del domingo, 19 de junio de 2022. Viernes, 17 de junio de 2022

Mission Education with Young People

Thursday, June 16, 2022
This month Megan talks with Barbara Escobar, the Maryknoll Mission Educator-Promoter for the Chicago and Midwest Region. Barbara tells Megan a little about herself and her ministry background before talking more specifically about her current work with Maryknoll Mission Education. Barbara describes mission education and formation opportunities that Maryknoll offers to both teens and young adults. In the extended interview Barbara also speaks about formation opportunities for adults and mission immersion trips as well.

ST. MARTIN DE PORRES SOCIETY INAUGURAL EVENT

Tuesday, June 14, 2022
Bishop Robert Lombardo, Bishop of Vicariate 3 in the Archdiocese of Chicago, and Sally Blount, Catholic Charities President and CEO will discuss “Poverty and the Catholic Response” on June 22 at the Newberry Library. This will be the inaugural event of the St. Martin de Porres Society, a new Catholic Charities forum for dialogue and debate on issues such as economic growth, social justice, the Mission of Charity and the power of faith in serving. Join Phil Zepeda and Katie Bredemann as they welcome Matt McCabe, Executive Director of Strategic Initiatives to preview this special event on June 22.

First Fruits of Evangelization

Tuesday, June 14, 2022
On the Way welcomes Brian Romer Niemiec, Lifelong Formation Coordinator for Vicariate Two, for a conversation with Co-Hosts Beth White and Jenn Delvaux about the first fruits of evangelization work in parishes in his vicariate. Jenn Delvaux has worked with a number of parishes in Vicariate Two and together with Brian and Beth, they discuss tangible signs of renewal. At the end of the show, Beth and Jenn share a personal note. Jenn Delvaux is leaving her role in the Archdiocese and this is her last show as Co-Host. To close out their time together, Beth asks Jenn to reflect on her learnings from walking with parishes during these last five years.

Solemnidad de la Santísima Trinidad

Friday, June 10, 2022
Lectura y reflexión del Evangelio según San Juan 16, 12-15 del domingo, 12 de junio de 2022. Viernes, 10 de junio de 2022

Update on Various Topics Including the Covid-19 Pandemic and the War in Ukraine

Thursday, June 9, 2022
Hosts: Fr. Greg Sakowicz and Mark Teresi. Dr. Edward Gordon joins Fr. Greg and Mark for the full hour to discuss current developments of various topics.

The National Eucharistic Revival.

Tuesday, June 7, 2022
Sr. Alicia Torres from the Mission of Our Lady of the Angels joined host Joyce Duriga to discuss the National Eucharistic Revival.

20th ANNIVERSARY of AFTER SUPPER VISIONS

Tuesday, June 7, 2022
After Supper Visions is one of the most creative programs ever established at Catholic Charities. Guests of our Tuesday Night Suppers are offered the opportunity to grow in their talents as photographers. Now in its 20th year, artists continue to produce beautiful photographic artwork that rivals that of any art gallery in Chicago. Join Phil Zepeda and Katie Bredemann as they welcome Fr. Wayne Watts, Ellen Gorney and Jody O’Connor to discuss how this program affirms artists and welcomes them into a wonderful community of supportive people who respect them and believe in their potential.

Mission of Our Lady of the Angels/Music Ministry of Teresa Scalise

Monday, June 6, 2022
Hosts: Fr. Greg Sakowicz and Mark Teresi. Segment I: Sr. Stephanie Baliga talks about the Mission of Our Lady of the Angels after the statue of the Blessed Virgin Mary returned to the Mission. Segment II: Teresa Scalise, music minister at Mary, Seat of Wisdom, talks about her music ministry and we hear a couple of Teresa's performances.

Domingo de Pentecostés

Friday, June 3, 2022
Lectura y reflexión del Evangelio según San Juan 20, 19-23 del domingo, 5 de junio de 2022. Viernes, 3 de junio de 2022

Every Christian is Called to Diaconate Service

Thursday, June 2, 2022
Join Deacons Richard Hudzik and Dave Brencic in their conversation with Deacon Dominic Cerrato, Director of the Joliet Diaconate, who walks through the highlights of his new book, Discovering Christ the Servant: A Spirituality of Service. Deacon Dominic explains how the servanthood of Christ, which animates what a deacon does, is a servanthood all Christians are called to. This is liberating good news, as well as a challenge—all Christians, lay and ordained, are called to enact in every situation their identities as disciples of Jesus.

Covid, Confirmation, and Commitment

Thursday, June 2, 2022
Fr. Adam MacDonald, SVD talks about how vocation efforts during the pandemic including his experience leading a Confirmation Retreat for young people and the gift of witnessing the journey of a priest he has accompanied over the years. Contact information for Fr. Adam: Toll-Free: 800-553-3321 | Cell: 847-644-8320 | Email: [email protected] | Website: www.svdvocations.org | Facebook: www.facebook.com/adamsvd | Twitter: @AMacDonaldSVD

Biking for Babies and Chastity Education Initiative Updates

Wednesday, June 1, 2022
Dawn and Ray welcome Nikki Biese, Executive Director of Biking for Babies in the first half of the show. Biking for Babies aims to renew a Culture of Life, one pedal stroke and one pregnancy resource center at a time. They offer an impressive formation program for young adults, which culminates in a weeklong bicycle ride across the country. Donate toward the mission and in support of pregnancy resource centers and follow the 2022 National Ride (July 11-16) at www.bikingforbabies.com. On the second half of the show, Dawn and Ray discuss the progress of the Chastity Education Initiative, what they have accomplished this year as well as what is coming up. Echo Chicago is still accepting young adults to attend for the weekend at St Xavier University June 24-26. More information is available at www.respectlifechicago.org/events.

CATHOLIC CHARITIES 2022 GOLF INVITATIONAL

Tuesday, May 31, 2022
Catholic Charities 2022 Golf Invitational will be held on Monday, June 27th at Olympia Fields Country Club in Olympia Fields. Proceeds from this event will support all Catholic Charities programs and services in Cook County. Join Phil Zepeda and Katie Bredemann as they welcome Marty Endre and Mike Smith, Chairmen of the 2022 Golf Invitational to discuss how this fabulous event is a Win-Win each year for those who love a great round of golf and the chance to support people in need with Catholic Charities.

Catholic Schools Today, May 30, 2022

Monday, May 30, 2022
Host: Vince Gerasole. Segment I: St. Symphorosa Student Illustrates a Children’s Book. Guests: Kathy Berry, Joseph P. Segment II: National History Finalist is Student from St. Luke School. Guests: Andrew DiMarco, James Bratager, Ryann D.,

Séptimo Domingo de Pascua

Friday, May 27, 2022
Lectura y reflexión del Evangelio según San Juan 17, 20 – 26 del domingo, 29 de mayo de 2022.

Meet Newly Ordained Priest Fr. Joseph Brom, SJC/Memorial Day Field Masses

Thursday, May 26, 2022
Hosts: Fr. Greg Sakowicz and Mark Teresi. Segment I: We are blessed to have the opportunity to get to know one of the men who were ordained to the priesthood in a ceremony celebrated by Cardinal Blase Cupich this past Saturday. Fr. Joseph Brom will now serve as a priest at St. John Cantius parish. He joins us this morning to talk to us about his formation journey and his hopes for the future. Guest: Fr. Joseph Brom, SJC. Segment II: For the first time in two years, Memorial Day field Masses will be held in person at Archdiocese of Chicago Catholic Cemeteries across the region on Monday, May 30. Active military and veterans will be asked to come forward for a special blessing followed by the playing of Taps. The annual Memorial Day remembrance was established by the Catholic Cemetery Conference to honor the men and women of the armed forces who died while serving, as well as active military and veterans. Guest: Theodore (Ted) Ratajczyk

The Easter Feasts of The Ascension and Pentecost, and the Eucharistic Revival.

Wednesday, May 25, 2022
In this broadcast of Focus on the Liturgy, Danielle Noe, Timothy Johnston and Todd Williamson discuss the culminating celebrations of the Ascension of the Lord and Pentecost. Each of these Solemnities lead us into a deeper understanding of the Easter Season and what it calls us to as disciples of Jesus. Toward the end of the show they also touch on the Eucharistic Revival and the celebration of the Most Holy Body and Blood of the Lord.

A SPECIAL VISIT FROM THE NATIONAL COUNCIL ON AGING

Tuesday, May 24, 2022
Representatives from the U.S. National Council on Aging recently contacted our Josephine P. Argento Senior Center and asked for the opportunity to visit the center and interview a number of our clients, as part of their study on the growth of senior centers nationwide. Join Katie Bredemann and Phil Zepeda as they welcome Robert Boyd, Director of the Argento Senior Center and Magnolia Chandler, one of the seniors who was interviewed to discuss the many ways that the Argento Center, and the other eleven Catholic Charities Drop In Centers help seniors stay active and independent, enjoying life in their own homes and communities.

Meet 6 of Our New Deacons!

Monday, May 23, 2022
Hosts: Fr. Greg Sakowicz and Mark Teresi. Today we get to know six of the men who were ordained permanent deacons at Holy Name Cathedral on Saturday, May 14th. Segment I: First up we have Manuel Ruiz who serves the community of Our Lady of the Heights/Nuestra Senora de las Alturas in Chicago Heights, and Roberto Reyes who serves the community of Santa Maria Magdalena in Blue Island. Segment II: Up next we are joined by John Ruskin who serves the community at Prince of Peace in Lake Villa, and Joseph McCain who serves the community of St. John the Evangelist in Streamwood. Segment III: For our final segment we are joined by Krzysztof (Kris) Slowikowski who serves the community at St. John Brebeuf in Niles, and Moyossola (Jean) Boussari who serves the community of St. Colette in Rolling Meadows.

Focus on Each Other

Thursday, May 19, 2022
Hosts Fr. Britto Berchmans and Sandy Labouvie unpack their interview with Bill and Ileene-Marie Mooney

New Missionary Priests

Thursday, May 19, 2022
This month Megan sits down with two recently ordained and graduated priests, Fr. Falasiko Matovu and Fr. Peter Walusimbi. These two are from the Diocese of Kiyinda-Mityana in Uganda. They have been attending the University of St. Mary of the Lake/Mundelein Seminary for the last five years, with the support of the Global Mission Office. Megan asks them to share some treasured memories from their studies and formation and to share about their experiences of ordination back in May 2021 in Uganda.

REGIONAL MISSION BOARDS PAVE THE WAY

Tuesday, May 17, 2022
Catholic Charities is embarking on a bold, new vision to expand our work on the parish level through Regional Mission Boards in the six vicariates of the Archdiocese of Chicago. We invite individuals, families, neighbors, friends, and corporations of all sizes to join us as Partners in Mission, Partners in Giving and/or Partners in Prayer and make a positive difference in the lives of people who are suffering. Join Phil Zepeda and Katie Bredemann as they welcome Matt McCabe, Executive Director of Strategic Initiatives and Rene Medina, Regional Mission Board Chairperson for the City Southwest Region to discuss the positive momentum that is building already for this new partner structure.

Public Policy Issues Important to Catholics

Monday, May 16, 2022
Host: Bob Gilligan. Segment I: Dobbs Decision and Roe v. Wade. Guest: Amy Geherke. Segment II: Disability Outreach via Patients' Rights Action Fund. Guest: Ian McIntosh. Segment III: Combating Sin of Racism Workshop. Guest: Veronica Burchard

Quinto Domingo de Pascua

Friday, May 13, 2022
Lectura y reflexión del Evangelio según San Juan 13, 31 – 33ª. 34-35 del domingo, 15 de mayo de 2022. Viernes, 13 de mayo de 2022

The Latest Offering from Mayslake Ministries/The 49th Annual Summer Scripture Conference

Thursday, May 12, 2022
Hosts: Fr. Greg Sakowicz and Mark Teresi. Segment I: Formerly known as the St. Francis Retreat House in Oak Brook, Illinois, Mayslake Ministries is a lay led 501.c.3 Catholic/Christian Not-for Profit Spirituality Center founded by Fr. Jonathan Foster, OFM, in 1991 as a “retreat house without walls.” Since 1991, Mayslake Ministries has served the spiritual needs of Christian/Catholic adult men and women from all walks of life, providing multiple spiritual opportunities for people who seek a deeper relationship with Jesus Christ. The programs and services are sanctioned by the Archdiocese of Chicago, the Dioceses of Joliet and Rockford, Illinois. Today we talk with Dr. Mary Amore about the latest offerings from Mayslake Ministries. Segment II: The 49th Annual Summer Scripture Conference is scheduled to take place on the grounds of the University of St. Mary of the Lake/Mundelein Seminary from June 19 to June 24. Joining us to talk about this year’s conference is Megan Deichl and Linda Couri.

The SPRED approach of forming small communities of faith

Wednesday, May 11, 2022
Guests: Elizabeth Kos and Joseph Quane

Misericordia Home Opens New Drive Through Bakery and Café

Tuesday, May 10, 2022

MONTHLY GATHERINGS UNITE EMPLOYEES

Tuesday, May 10, 2022
A wonderful team-building initiative was started at Catholic Charities in the fall of 2021, uniting all employees in monthly gatherings that invite staff members to share their opinions and ideas while they meet employees from other service areas and celebrate their shared commitment to helping people in need. Join Katie Bredemann and Phil Zepeda as they welcome Edward Leiser, Manager, Employee Communications to discuss the objectives of these Employee Gatherings and the positive impact they have had already throughout our large organization.

Cuarto Domingo de Pascua

Friday, May 6, 2022
Lectura y reflexión del Evangelio según San Juan 10, 27 – 30 del domingo, 8 de mayo de 2022.

Celebrating Religious Brothers Day and World Day of Prayer for Vocations

Thursday, May 5, 2022
Our guests today are Sister Michele Fisher, CSFN, a Sister of the Holy Family of Nazareth ( www.NazarethCSFN.org) and Brother Tim Smyth, CFC, a member of the Edmund Rice Christian Brothers of the North American Province (www.ercbna.org). Pray the rosary with the CSFNs in Ukraine via Zoom at 1:00 pm central. To join the Sisters for the online Rosary at 9pm (Kiev time), the following ZOOM link can be used: https://us04web.zoom.us/j/4394440126
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